Tuesday, March 31, 2009

2010 Burton Snowboard Preview: Method, Jussi, Custom Vrocker, Jeremy Jones, Easy Living

As I wrote before, I spent a sweet weekend at the U.S. Open of Snowboarding. It was fun times with friends and some awesome snowboarding. I did a quick write up for Fuel here on it. As part of the weekend, I demo'ed a bunch of 2010 Burton Snowboards. I’ve been moving to smaller boards with a more blunted tip/tail shape so keep that in mind. Here's a quick review for each board tested. Of course these aren't production boards, and things may change before the fall.

Conditions: Spring VT. Nice groomers bright and early. Sugar, crap and ice mid-day. Slush, rocks and bare spots in the afternoon. US Open chaos but took runs all over Stratton. Found some rock jibs, stump and tree jibs. Didn't roll through the park as my "rider" pass didn't allow me into the Stratton parks (just the US Open pipe and slopestyle).

Burton Method 155
This is the board that you've been hearing about. It costs around $1,300 to $1,600, depending on who you ask, and Burton raided the R&D department to create this ubermachine. I was 100% skeptical about this board, but like the Vapor, I was pleasantly surprised. The shape is pure freestyle with blunt tip and tail. Many boards in 2010 will be rocking the blunt tip/tail shapes, which are old skool, but I love them. It was surprisingly a fun ride. It handled everything well, but was a bit too dead compared to the liveliness that I’ve come to expect from Burton. Lighter and softer than a Vapor, livelier than a T6.

In the air, it was ridiculously light, like hit a kicker and totally overshoot the landing, light. After a few runs, I got a handle on the feel and started getting really comfortable with the board. I did a few rock taps and log jibs with no problems. You have to test the durability right? According to the Demo Tent Dude, it’s lighter than a Chopper kids board (that’s with bindings), whoa. I’d say my biggest issue was fearing that someone would steal it, so I had to bring it into the bar with me to keep it safe at lunch time.

Burton Jussi 156
Holy fawking crap! I've always liked the Jussi as a nice stiff freestyle board with insane amounts of pop and springiness. But it seemed a bit too stiff to be that versatile board that you want to rock everywhere. The latest incarnation of the Jussi offers a softer (not too soft) flex between the bindings and scoop tip and tail. In the past, I've also really liked scoop as seen in the Fix or Seven for 2009. Scoop seemed to provide me with the extra little love for butters and flat land without sacrificing the ollie pop that I crave. The Jussi didn't disappoint. From first to last run, it was like meeting back up with your old girlfriend. Sweet, comfortable and trustworthy. From high speed 180s to crud busting to goofing around, it was shredtastic. I'd right more, but I fear that this would be just another cliched "this is awesome" review.

And the graphics? Amazing. Burton put out all the stops on this one. For a short summary, I felt like they took my 08 Uninc, slightly softened the flex, added Scoop and sped up the base. This is definitely top 5 for 2010.

Burton Jeremy Jones 159
Another tested favorite from ye old closet, the Jeremy Jones was one of my favorites way back in 2007. My assumption that this would be that same board, but now updated with better construction, a faster base and zero camber in the 159. To my surprise, I hated this board. Hate might be too strong, but I really disliked this board. Part of it could be because the base wasn't really that well waxed, even though the Demo guys pulled the board right of the bag. Could it be that the zero camber was affecting the base on the flats? I couldn't really get a good feel with the board. Riding it was ok, nothing special. It just didn't feel right at all. I respect Jeremy Jones as a rider a lot, but I gotta say, it might be time to retire the board from the lineup after this season.

Oh and the graphics? Absolutely horrendous. Sorry Lance V, I'm just not into the topsheet. I do like the new Forum graphics though for 2010.

Burton Custom Vrocker 159
Every time I went into the demo tent, the Custom Vrockers were out. So finally I stalked the board by getting to the demo tent first thing on Sunday AM. The 156 (my preferred size) was already out, but they did have a 159. Unlike the Custom, the Vrocker is a mid-wide. The 159 has a waist width of 255, so I was totally able to take the board out even though it's a bit long and wide for me for East Coast riding.

Many people I know were pushing me to ride this board. And it pains me to say this, but they're right. The board is sick. The flex is slightly softer than the regular Custom and the Vrocker works in synch with this stiffer, all-mountain deck. It was super stable, held an edge at speed on ice, etc. and also at the same time was able to utilize the Vrocker to make your park riding, freestyle dorking sessions more fun. I've been testing the Never Summer SL-R. The Custom Vrocker reminded me a lot of the SL-R or the T.Rice that I was also riding. The common themes are: slightly stiffer flex, reverse camber, yet still maintains an edge and has ollie pop off the tail. So I think you'll see a lot of Custom Vrockers on the slopes in 2010 as it combines the traditional best seller: the custom with Burton's version of the rocker. Definitely a killer combo and this is also on my short list now. I just wish it came with blunted tip and tail.

Burton Easy Living 155
The Easy Living is Burton's replacement of the Uninc (RIP PIG). The Unincs are my opinion of the gold standard. I've had an Uninc in my quiver for as many year's as the boards have been around. I love the way these boards ride: stable, twin tipped, slightly stiffer flex and of course, sick graphics. So I fully expected to jump on the Easy Living and have a similar experience. On paper, the Easy Living looks almost identical to the 2009 Uninc 155, which was hella fun when I tested it a few months ago. The major difference is that Burton upgraded the base for 2010. The graphics in person are friggin' rockstar. I remember when I first saw them, I was skeptical, but they're tight.

The ride was a different story. It was stiffer than this year's Uninc, and it kinda didn't impress me at all. Of course it could have been the horrible conditions or the fact that I was super hungover or possibly still drunk, but I tested all the boards in this state. The board rode fine, but IMO it didn't meet the standards that I've come to expect from the Uninc boards. Rocking it switch was super twitchy, like unpredictable not happy to ride switch twitchy. The board rode fine straight and was also fine in the air. Talking to a few different people, there's been mixed reviews of the Easy Living. Surprisingly this board is not on my list for 2010.
Thanks to Southofthenorth for the Easy Living graphic.

More contests: Crank Brothers Gives Away Wheels at Sea Otter

Here's the deal. Demo a set of Crank Bros. wheels at Sea Otter. If you podium with said wheels, you can keep 'em. And even if you don't get placed 1st through 5th, Crank Bros. is going to give you a killer deal to buy 'em. Here's the official information. Dang those wheels look amazing.

Demo a wheelset. Race them at Sea Otter. If you podium, you keep them - free of charge.

Calling all Sea Otter racers: we’re offering a special demo program just for you.

Contact us before Sea Otter and we’ll ship you a set of cobalt xc or iodine all mountain wheels to demo at the race, with no obligation to buy. Race them at Sea Otter, and if you make it to the podium on the wheels, you win the set!

We’re accepting reservations now through April 8th. Check out the specs for our cobalt and iodine wheels.Request your demo wheels today.

Here’s how it works:
The following races qualify: Cross-Country, Short Track, Super D, and limited Downhill (depending on your bike)
Proof of Sea Otter race registration must be provided.
All levels of racers qualify – Beginner to Pro.

The offer is limited to the first 50 racers to respond.

Reservations must be made by April 8th.

We will send the wheels to your house asap, giving you an opportunity to set up and spin before the event. Or, we can swap your wheels on site at Sea Otter, but we will only have a few sets available on site, so quantity is limited.

If you podium (finishing 1st – 5th place) using the demo wheels, you get to keep the set, but you must come to our tent at Sea Otter after your race and we’ll make it official. If you somehow do not make the podium with these wheels, you're still in luck.

After you've demoed the wheels all week you have the option to purchase them for a special event price. Stop by the crankbrothers tent to find out. And of course, the bailout: there is absolutely no obligation to buy. After you demo the wheels, you can simply return them, no charge. We’ll send a UPS shipping label that you can use to return the wheels by April 24.

Full details can be found here.

Monday, March 30, 2009

The Hoon x Mountain Dew x Sierra collab Snowboard Virgins Contest

Snowboarding has invaded the mainstream media through a combination of the X-games, Dew Tour, the US Open and the Olympics over the last few years. Have you ever wondered what the average American Joe the Plumber thinks of snowboarding? Have you ever received strange looks in the liftline when you scream "I'm so stoked to be shredding the rad in sick bluebird blower on my skate banana with BTX with my peeps!" Do you wish you could have caught the look of those skiers in the liftline on video?

Hoon, Mountain Dew and Sierra Snowboard wanna know what the Truly Clueless think of snowboarding through our Snowboard Virgins contest. To announce the new Dew flavor (and winner of Dewmocracy!) Mountain Dew Voltage, celebrate the wrap up of the 2009 snowboard season and just be super cool guys, we're giving a bunch of free stuff.

The winner will receive a snowboard exactly like one of the winners of the Winter Dew tour (we'll make sure that it's gender appropriate) and some Mountain Dew Voltage schwag.

We'll also be giving away prizes for the next two runner-ups (that's second and third place if you didn't know).

Annnnnd.... if you're one of the first 15 to submit, you'll receive free t-shirts from Mountain Dew (Who doesn't need a new t-shirt, Mr Stinky).

Here's how it works:

1. Film a video (think Borat not Bruckheimer) of Snowboard Virgins explaining what they think snowboard phrases like "Roast Beef" mean to them.
2. Post the video onto Youtube and tag it with: Hoon, Mountain Dew Voltage, Sierra Snowboard, Snowboard Virgins
3. Send an email to snowboardvirgins@gmail.com with your Youtube link as your entry (here's a Gaper sample)
4. Go snowboarding, skateboarding, surfing, etc. while you wait to see if you're one of the lucky winners!
(Make sure to get verbal permission in your video that the Virgins are cool to be filmed.)

Voting will be conducted on SierraSnowboard.com with ultimate discretion of the winner going to Hoon and Airik from Sierrasnowboard. Having your video propped will definitely influence our decisions. Like high school, popularity counts.

Contest starts today (3/31/09) and ends on April 30, 2009 so get your ass in gear!
Hey you might be the only lazy SOB to enter and win a free snowboard*.

Here's a sample of "snowboard slang" to get ya going:

Roast Beef
Schralp
Shred
Stoked
Steez
Shredtastic
Chunder
Tindy
McTwist
EST
Magnetraction
Antti Auti
Radial sidecut
Tail grab
Shifty
Mute grab
Butter that muffin
Nose press
SpeedZone
Halfpipe
Step down/up
Switch 270 on, 270 off
50/50

*This contest is just for fun to hook up some lucky snowboarder. It's not meant to be taken too seriously or turn into some crazy legal battle as I'm just the messenger. Mountain Dew Voltage and Sierra Snowboards are just being super cool to offer some sweet schwag for some of my blog readers. They can only ship in the Lower 48 United States, and the board availability will be dependent on Sierra stock. So have fun, be cool and don't get arrested.

Friday, March 27, 2009

Quiksilver's Answer to Roxy's Chicken Jam: Cluck Off

I laughed pretty hard when this came across my desk. Only the mind of Todd Richards could come up with something like this. Todd and Torah Bright (recent U.S. Open halfpipe winner) will be doing the judging in this low-key contest that is the "brother" contest to the women's-only, season ender, the Roxy Chicken Jam. I was glad to see that Quiksilver's stock price woes haven't affected their sense of humor or their production of solid contests like this. I hear Kelly Slater will be the prize for the first place winner of the Chicken Jam.

I hope someone remembers that I'm a size large in t-shirts.

(Huntington Beach, Calif.) March 26, 2009 – While the all-girls slopestyle and superpipe competition known as the Roxy Chicken Jam is taking place March 27-29 at Mammoth Mountain Resort in California, Quiksilver has decided to have a competition of its own, just for the men - called the Quiksilver Cluck Off. The invitation-only half pipe competition will take place Saturday, March 28 at 4:00pm at the Mammoth Mountain Superpipe.

Eight Mammoth Mountain locals are set to compete in a half-hour half pipe jam session. The competing locals include Greg Bretz, Trevor Jacob, Luke Wynen, Spencer Whiting and Garrett Wynert from the Mammoth Junior team, Patrick Reddy, Tommy Czeshin and eight-year old Judd Henkes. The half pipe competition will be judged by snowboarding Olympians - Quiksilver’s Todd Richards and Roxy’s Torah Bright, as well as Mammoth Mountain’s Oren Tanzer. First place prize is a whopping $1,000; winner takes all.

“The Quiksilver Cluck Off is amazing because as soon as you say cluck instead of the four-letter word it rhymes with, you realize it’s totally cool to have it on a t-shirt in huge letters”, says head judge Todd Richards.

The Roxy Chicken Jam is a three-day professional snowboard contest and festival. The festival includes a free concert with Cold War Kids and Santogold (she rocks) on Saturday evening in the Mammoth Mountain Village.

For more information on the Quiksilver Cluck Off and up-to-date information on Quiksilver snow team-riders’ activities, please visit www.quiksilver.com/snow.

Sunday, March 22, 2009

2010 Burton Snowboard Preview: The US Open and Snowboard Reviews

This post is going to be brief as I just got back from the U.S. Open. Thanks to all my friends and Burton Snowboards for a kick ass time. Congrats to Danny Kass and Torah Bright in the pipe and Chas Guldemond and Kjersti Buaas in the slopestyle. I hope Elena Hight is ok after that spill in the pipe. Ouch. My favorite new rider? Peetu Piiroinen, but I think it's just because I like saying his name three times fast.

As it was the U.S. Open, there was also a full service demo tent with all the 2010 goodies. I spent a good amount of time rotating through there for boards and bindings to test. Over the next few days, I'll be providing some mini-review on each board and binding that I tried. Granted these were short tests as I only got about 3-4 runs on each set up before switching them out. This also had to be interspersed with bro'ing down, beers, waffles, watching contests and the usual stuff, oh and even some snowboarding.

Conditions were classic VT spring: 40 degree temps with the occasional snow storm mixed in there, but overall
sunny with fast groomers in the AM, sugar and ice mid-day and slush in the PM: a very versatile mix for testing boards.

The test/mini-review list includes:
Custom with V-rocker
Method
X8
Jeremy Jones
Easy Living
Jussi

Bindings
C60 EST
Malavita EST
Infidel

Friday, March 20, 2009

2010 Lib Tech Banana Hammock Graphic and More

Check out this top-secret potential graphic for the 09-10 Lib Banana Hammock. Verrrrry Niiiiice!

Oh and you can learn more about stuff like this and the Strapless Riding weekend at the Lib Tech blog. Check it all out here.

I'm off to the US Open. Will report from there.



Thursday, March 19, 2009

Tampa Pro (ho): Skateboarding Dirrrty South Style

If you're not at the U.S. Open, sunning yourself on the beach or playing with yourself on your Wii, check out Fuel.TV for their live webcast of the Tampa Pro in HD (I guess you can have HD web stuff now, right?

From their Press Release: Since 1994, the Tampa Pro contest has been showcasing the best skateboarders in the game at Florida’s world-famous Skatepark of Tampa. A staple event for skateboarding’s gnarliest pros—attracting many who don’t normally enter contests—Tampa Pro is ruled by one motto: “For skateboarders, by skateboarders”. No hype, just real pros skating under real conditions.

It'll be at the Skate Park of Tampa and is sponsored by Nike SB.

Check out if it is truly For skateboarders, by skateboarders. It'll be on from Noon-6pm on this Sunday.


Hey, since it's online, you could even probably watch TV and playing your Wii while sunning yourself during a shred session while you watch on your cool Mac laptop Now that's technology in action!

http://www.fuel.tv/tampapro

Where will I be? I'll be at the U.S. Open of Snowboarding. Check out my Fuel.TV posts here or Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, Linkedin, this blog, but not Friendster.

Saturday, March 14, 2009

Bean Snowboards Ready to Sprout

I was stoked to see local Boston snowboard manufacturer, Bean Snowboards get some good local press. Of course it's the Herald, but it's a solid article, I swear.

Bean was founded by two Northeastern engineering graduates in 2006. They've been doing a grassroots tour of the East Coast, letting people demo the boards and get stoked on the new brand.

They've got a park/jib board and an all mountain board. Both with sintered bases and priced to move under $399. Bean also has some sweet Eco-friendly apparel and a killer logo.

I'll be keeping tabs on them in the near future with board reviews and more. Check 'em out!
More info, where to buy:

Thursday, March 12, 2009

Newsflash: The Internet is killing snowboarding and Math is cool

Everyone and their grandmother is screaming that the Internet is killing snowboarding, but I wanted to take a closer look under the hood before I join the bandwagon. So here are some interesting stats courtesy of SIA and an alternate view from moi.

Specialty store sales decreased by 4.4%, Chain stores were down by 18% and Internet sales increased an average of 40%.

Holy crap! That's like Bernie Madoff numbers. Online stores have been accused of killing the soul of shops, dropping their panties early on price and causing the return of Snowblades. It could also be efficient business models, strong customer service, innovative marketing and strong execution, but it's probably magic elves.

Yes, some online dealers dropped on price and were swiftly bitch slapped. Yes, shops were asked to price match, but let's take a look at another set of numbers.

Average price of a snowboard in Dec 08:

Shop - $290.84 Internet - $283.61 Chain - $185.10

So what does this mean? If I intrepret this right, all the above numbers mean that the chain stores are getting hosed!!!! A reduction of 18% of sales and the average price of boards at under $100 less than specialty or Internet. Yikes!

Of course the big boxes cater to a very price conscious crowd and sell mainly packages (aka crap), but it does make you wonder...

Many Internet shops also offer free shipping but only after a certain shopping cart threshold is passed. Looking at the above number, adding the cost of shipping a board ($10-$20) more than evens out with the specialty guys, keeping it relatively competitive.

Average price of a snowboard in Dec 08:

Shop - $290.84 Internet - $293.61 - $303.61 (with shipping)

Oh but yes Virginia, the business model of shops is going to have to change! Yes, yes it will. Look at similar, analogous industries. Skate, surf and bike stores all turn a minimal profit on their biggest ticket items and really drive margins on smaller items, soft goods, accessories, etc.

A local surf store offers a free leash and wax with any board purchase plus 10% off any purchases for a year. This includes a traction pad (short board), wetsuit, board shorts, gloves, booties, tshirts, hoodies, sandals, videos, etc. Well you get my drift.

The same goes for the local bike store where jerseys, water bottles, tires and maintenance drive more dollars in the door than a carbon-fiber Lancestrong bike.

I invite shops to rethink the model. May be you should become a boot expert or may be, just may be, you should consider investing in some decent tuning equipment and professsional shop dudes to keep things legit versus buying more Burton Unincs to look core. Or may be consider working on your customer service, offering more back to the community in the way of events, etc.

I know that with this stranglehold economy and a newborn on the way, I'll be looking to see how much farther I can take my equipment.

But back on point, SIA Director Davis correctly identifies the next big problem. Guess what? It's not the Internet. It's all that carryover crap from Dick's and Sports Authority that will be coming to a TJ Maxx near you this fall. Screw the Internet, TJX is your biggest competition with $50 Gore-Tex brand name jackets. Try price matching that.

*Thanks to Snowboard Revolution for the pics.

Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Road bikers, Mountain bikers, Nudes, Oh My!

Last time around, we featured the lovely ladies of the Breckenridge Ski Patrol. Today, it's cyclists in honor the Paris-Nice occurring right now. When I opened my inbox, these cycling sirens sauntered across my screen from Cycle Passion. The roster includes:
2009
Sabine Spitz // Gunn-Rita Dahle-Flesja // Irina Kalentieva // Jennifer Hohl // Hanka Kupfernagel // Steffi Marth // Willow Koerber (see picture to the left)

2008
Gunn-Rita Dahle-Flesja // Emilia Fahlin // Fumic Brothers // Niki Gudex // Trond Hansen// Heike Hundertmark // Irina Kalentieva // Andrea Lacondeguy // LLuis Lacondeguy// Pablo Moreno // Ralph Näf // Richie Schley // Wade Simmons

Whoa! Looks like a few dudes also snuck into the 2008 calendar. Do their sponsors know about this? Bon apetit!

Thursday, March 05, 2009

Never Summer SL 155: 2010 in the haus

Props to Never Summer. They sent my 2010 SL (the R is silent as the SL is only in reverse camber in 2010) to SLC, Utah while I was out there for Mantrip 3.0. I picked up the board after a hard day at the Canyons rocking the Trice 153, feeling that I needed a bit more length. It features Rocker & Camber (R.C. Technology) and Vario Power Grip sidecut. This means the board has rocker under the foot and camber sections past the bindings. The Vario Power Grip (kung fu grip!) has deep radius sidecut past the bindings, shallow under the bindings and straight at the waist. Basically think of it as magnetraction-lite.

Conditions: The Canyons Backcountry, Powder Mountain in-bounds and heli, groomers, stumps, parking lot, backcountry quarterpipes, cliff drops, everything but ice.

Pros:
- This thing motors and is super durable! I tested it on every imaginable surface from groomer to chop to chunder to freshies to stumps, logs, rock drops, metal, concrete and pavement (yah I believe boards need to survive all conditions but be "smart" light) No major problems or destruction.
- The higher nose profile on the board is awesome for blasting through pow yet doesn't seem to cause any issue when buttering or doing highspeed 180s on groomers. The rocker plus nose height allows for great centered stance riding. It acutally rode better for me in deep chop centered versus set back, could be that I am more comfortable centered
- I had to double check: this is a directional twin right? The flex was solid, stiff longitudinally but still torsionally flexible to allow micro adjustments through independent foot action
- The rocker design really allows for the benefits of rocker: playfulness in flat land, not catching an edge while spinning and centered pow riding while maintaining ollie pop (I've had a hard time finding a rocker board that still allows me to super ollie pop a board like a regular cambered board)
- This board destroys crud
- The overall weight seemed the right mix of durability and spinability in most conditions

Cons:
- My base lost wax quickly. It was super fast when waxed but got slow after a few days. From a comparison stand point a Rome or Burton base seem to hold wax for a long time (at least 5/6 sessions), and Libs need a wax every time for me, I'm sorta a low maintenance snowboarder not spending a lot of time on tuning.
- The Vario grip tech seemed to get grabbie when flat basing on a groomer, cat track or run-in for a kicker. Possibly the combination of the rocker plus the Vario grip leads to slight hooking at the tip and tails? The same occurred when riding switch (on edge though it was a carving machine). This led to a lack of confidence for me later in the day when I'm tired and still wanting to haul ass or Mach 10 into a QP or kicker. Of course I'm not a big fan of MTX at all.
- In the air it could be slightly lighter, may be with reduced weight or material in the tip and tail?
- Not sure where this trend is coming from, but a lot of companies have stopped adding reference stance marks to their boards. Not that I mount my board at reference, but it's helpful to make quick on the fly changes when you don't have a tape measure handy on the hill.
- If I was spending all day in the park, I think I've realized that I'm going to stick with a camber board for the jumps and rails. A traditional board just offers the pop and stability that I've become used to (yah may be I'm an old fart).

Overall:
- 155 was perfect for most stuff. For bigger stuff, I'd consider a 158. The slightly different tip and tail shapes really help the board in the deeper stuff. I'm not the biggest fan of the Vario Grip, but I think with a few more runs, I'll get used to it. The RC rocker is on point! Evidenced, by the co-opting of this design by other board companies. Graphics are a bit too sedate for my tastes, and I need to step up my tuning, but otherwise not many complaints, especially since I can rock this board centered almost anywhere.

2009 Specs: (don't have my 2010 catalog)
Size Waist Edge Sidecut Nose/Tail
155 25.1 121 VARIO 750* 29.5

STS Pretensioned Fiberglass
BI-LITE Fiberglass
Carbon VXR Laminate Technology
NS Custom Flightcore
RDS 3 Damping System
Sintered P-tex Sidewall
Durasurf Sintered 4501 base
P-tex Tip and Tail Protection
Full Wrap Metal Edge

Wednesday, March 04, 2009

Burton 2010 Pictures, Images and Gossip


So being the ultra lazy loser that I am, I've slacked on writing up any more actual 2010 info, gossip or snowboard reviews. My bad.

The culprit? The Economy!

Thankfully my bud, Nick up North (not Santa Claus you fools) in BC has the energy and fortitude to scan the whole damn Dealer catalog onto Flickr. Nick, didn't you hear they have an e-copy of the catalog, holmes?

In all seriousness, all you frothy groms better thank Nick HARD for doing this work for you. No more grainy ass camera phone shots from Vegas while you jerk it to scans of the 2010 Love. We're high tech in this joint.

http://talesfromthepunchbowl.blogspot.com/2009/03/ho-10-product-preview.html

Oh and on deck from Hoon:

- Brad Stewart interview on 5ones.com
- Burton Uninc 09 review with Uninc EST bindings (sorry a bit delayed)
- Never Summer SL 2010 (no R as they're only offering this board in
rocker)
- Green News on 2010 product (hippies rejoice)
- US Open is coming
- Quiksilver gets bought by Southofthenorth?